Well you do seem to keep on having fun Karen, you know it's true what people say about the grass looking greener on the other side of the fence, I sort of know that I'll never have the sort of fun that you have had since your GRS, being married and not wanting to cheat on my wife, who has stuck with me through my journey to becoming a woman, when my GRS happens all I can look forward to afterwards are sex toys. But intelligent conversation, companionship, life sharing, it's all there for me in bucket loads, so it seems to me that we're on opposite sides of the fence, wanting what we don't have. Oh yeah, when any relationship is new any couple are at it like hammer and tongues, having been married twice, and having had numerous girlfriends before that, I know that the activity at the begining of relationships does not last forever. But as much as I would love a little more spice in my life, I realise that it's the other life sharing aspects of a relationship that are so important, because they last forever and get better as time passes...................., so as much as you enjoy 8", don't rule out the other two possibilities. Cheers, Eve