Hmmmm, that's interesting and what develops might be more interesting. I find it strange that I have exactly the same thougts about women as you Karen, and the thought of me having sex with a man repulses me, but paradoxically, I sometimes fantasize about being made love to with a penis. I can only explain so far, and that it's not the reproductive organ that bothers me it's the rest of the flesh and persona around it! I think that Male persona's are what really bother me. It's all rather hypothetical anyway seeing as I'm married, yes Monica, albeit rather like Bill & Hillary, perhaps slightly more to true love but not romantic love, anymore lestways. I also worry about "Tranny Chasers" as they are called over here, males who want to experience something different, often wanting pre-op trans girls after seeing the porn sites, with the sole reason so that they can fulfil their fantasies. "Primeval and void of the notion of love" I think lots of men would fit that description, but not all. I just couldn't do it with a man, I think that they're nearly all ugly, such a shame God gave them all the penises................... Hugs, Eve